The Ultimate Budget Desktop Replacement for £624? Dell Vostro 1710 with Ubuntu 8.10 x86_64 review.

I recently purchased a Dell Vostro 1710 17" laptop, with 2.1GHz Core2 Duo, 4GB RAM and 1920x1200 display for £624 + VAT.

The requirement was for a new machine to be used as a 'desktop replacement' laptop. As I'm a software developer, it needed a big screen, lots of ram, and to have virtualisation support in the CPU. Fast OpenGL support didn't hurt either :-)

I have added an OCZ Vertex drive. This gives a fast SSD drive for the OS and the second drive bay will let me use the 320GB drive to provide storage capacity. (If I can ever get a cable for it...) See SSD benchmarks for performance details.

I'm outlining a few pieces of information which I discovered.

  • The nVidia GeForce 8600M GS graphics work 'out of the box' with the 'nv' driver, and also works painlessly with the nVidia closed source driver.
  • There are two 2.5" HDD bays, but if you order a Dell Vostro with one drive, you will not get the cable required to add a second drive. Finding such a cable is very difficult.
  • The VGA out is the old-style VGA connector, not DVI.
  • There is no e-sata - but it does have firewire.
  • The webcam does not work, yet. Though I've read that it does on 32 bit.
  • SSD slots works.
  • The fingerprint reader can work, but requires a bit of configuration. (It is the well supported thompson device.
  • If you talk to your account manager, you can get them to replace the WiFi card with an 'Europe Intel Pro Wireless 3945 (802.11 a/b/g) MiniPCI Card'. This makes the wireless work with 64 bit linux, without ndis wrappers, etc. This option is not available on the Dell website - you have to talk to an account manager.
  • Your account manager may be able to arrange an additional discount to the purchase price. Robinson Mulegeri managed to do this (thank you).
  • The 1920x1200 17" display is excellent, and is a very worthwhile upgrade.
  • The big screen means that the touch pad is ineffective in moving the cursor. If you up the acceleration, this fixes the touch pad, but an external mouse becomes too fast to use.
  • The built in sound is really quite good.

All in all, I am very happy with my purchase - the only real flies in the ointment are the missing second hdd cable and the lack of integral webcam support in Ubuntu 8.10.

If there's any more information which I can provide, let me know with a comment below.

chris@vostro:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port (rev 0c)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GS (rev a1)
06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
08:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394) (rev 02)
08:05.2 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MMC/SD Controller (rev 02)
08:05.3 Mass storage controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MS/xD Controller (rev 01)
 
chris@vostro:~$ lsusb
Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0c45:63e0 Microdia 
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 045e:00cb Microsoft Corp. 
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 003: ID 413c:8140 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 360 Bluetooth
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 
chris@vostro:~$ sudo lshw
vostro                    
    description: Portable Computer
    product: Vostro1710
    vendor: Dell Inc.
    version: Null
    serial: HCK974J
    width: 64 bits
    capabilities: smbios-2.4 dmi-2.4 vsyscall64 vsyscall32
    configuration: boot=oem-specific chassis=portable
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       product: 0X805C
       vendor: Dell Inc.
       physical id: 0
       serial: .HCK974J.CN129618CJ2931.
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: Dell Inc.
          physical id: 1
          version: A10 (10/09/2008)
          size: 108KiB
          capabilities: isa pci pcmcia pnp upgrade shadowing escd cdboot acpi usb agp biosbootspecification
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8100  @ 2.10GHz
          vendor: Intel Corp.
          physical id: 5
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: CPU Version
          slot: U2E1
          size: 1200MHz
          capacity: 1200MHz
          width: 64 bits
          clock: 800MHz
          capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx x86-64 constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr sse4_1 lahf_lm ida cpufreq
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 6
             size: 32KiB
             capacity: 32KiB
             capabilities: internal write-back
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 7
             size: 3MiB
             capacity: 4MiB
             capabilities: burst internal write-back
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: 11
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 4GiB
        *-bank:0
             description: SODIMM Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
             product: M4 70T5663EH3-CF7
             vendor: CE00000000000000
             physical id: 0
             serial: 78742F43
             slot: JDIM1
             size: 2GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
        *-bank:1
             description: SODIMM Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
             product: M4 70T5663EH3-CF7
             vendor: CE00000000000000
             physical id: 1
             serial: 78743139
             slot: JDIM2
             size: 2GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub
          vendor: Intel Corporation
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: 0c
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
        *-pci:0
             description: PCI bridge
             product: Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
             version: 0c
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport-driver
           *-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: GeForce 8600M GS
                vendor: nVidia Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: a1
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0 module=nvidia
        *-usb:0
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1a
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1a.0
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:1
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1a.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1a.1
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:2
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1a.7
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1a.7
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm debug bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0 module=ehci_hcd
        *-multimedia
             description: Audio device
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1b
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
             version: 03
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0 module=snd_hda_intel
        *-pci:1
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.0
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport-driver
        *-pci:2
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.1
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport-driver
        *-pci:3
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.3
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport-driver
           *-network
                description: Wireless interface
                product: PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
                vendor: Intel Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.0
                logical name: wmaster0
                version: 02
                serial: 00:1f:3c:c9:7c:81
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list logical ethernet physical wireless
                configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwl3945 ip=212.56.103.90 latency=0 module=iwl3945 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abg
        *-pci:4
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.4
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.4
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport-driver
           *-network
                description: Ethernet interface
                product: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
                vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:07:00.0
                logical name: eth0
                version: 02
                serial: 00:21:70:d6:5c:59
                size: 10MB/s
                capacity: 1GB/s
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
                configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half latency=0 link=no module=r8169 multicast=yes port=MII speed=10MB/s
        *-usb:3
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:4
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:5
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.2
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:6
             description: USB Controller
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.7
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm debug bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0 module=ehci_hcd
        *-pci:5
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1e
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
             version: f3
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci bus_master cap_list
           *-firewire
                description: FireWire (IEEE 1394)
                product: Firewire (IEEE 1394)
                vendor: O2 Micro, Inc.
                physical id: 5
                bus info: pci@0000:08:05.0
                version: 02
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=ohci1394 latency=64 module=ohci1394
           *-system
                description: SD Host controller
                product: Integrated MMC/SD Controller
                vendor: O2 Micro, Inc.
                physical id: 5.2
                bus info: pci@0000:08:05.2
                version: 02
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=sdhci-pci latency=32 module=sdhci_pci
           *-storage UNCLAIMED
                description: Mass storage controller
                product: Integrated MS/xD Controller
                vendor: O2 Micro, Inc.
                physical id: 5.3
                bus info: pci@0000:08:05.3
                version: 01
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: storage pm cap_list
                configuration: latency=32
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
        *-ide
             description: IDE interface
             product: 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.1
             logical name: scsi0
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: ide bus_master emulated
             configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0 module=ata_piix
           *-cdrom
                description: DVD-RAM writer
                product: DVD+-RW AD-7640A
                vendor: Optiarc
                physical id: 0.0.0
                bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                logical name: /dev/cdrom
                logical name: /dev/cdrw
                logical name: /dev/dvd
                logical name: /dev/dvdrw
                logical name: /dev/scd0
                logical name: /dev/sr0
                version: JD06
                capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
                configuration: ansiversion=5 status=open
        *-storage
             description: SATA controller
             product: 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
             logical name: scsi2
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: storage msi pm bus_master cap_list emulated
             configuration: driver=ahci latency=0 module=ahci
           *-disk
                description: ATA Disk
                product: OCZ       VERTEX
                physical id: 0.0.0
                bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
                logical name: /dev/sda
                version: 00.P
                serial: 48OEX2VSBWZJ7F1M616L
                size: 30GiB (32GB)
                capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=989c83e8
              *-volume
                   description: EXT3 volume
                   vendor: Linux
                   physical id: 1
                   bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0,1
                   logical name: /dev/sda1
                   logical name: /
                   logical name: /dev/.static/dev
                   version: 1.0
                   serial: e875b10b-65ca-4b5e-9c60-3f69e16123c8
                   size: 30GiB
                   capacity: 30GiB
                   capabilities: primary bootable journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files recover ext3 ext2 initialized
                   configuration: created=2009-03-14 14:29:36 filesystem=ext3 label=vostro-root modified=2009-03-14 15:06:51 mount.fstype=ext3 mount.options=ro,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered mounted=2009-03-14 14:48:03 state=mounted
        *-serial UNCLAIMED
             description: SMBus
             product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             configuration: latency=0
  *-battery
       description: Lithium Ion Battery
       product: SANYO     06/01/01
       vendor: SANYO     06/01/01
       physical id: 1
       slot: Rear
       capacity: 57720mWh
       configuration: voltage=11.1V
  *-network DISABLED
       description: Ethernet interface
       physical id: 2
       logical name: pan0
       serial: fe:fc:26:b6:40:ea
       capabilities: ethernet physical
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A link=yes multicast=yes

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I have managed to find a UK supplier for the sata cables for the second hdd in the vostro 1710. The second hdd is now up and running :-) If you'd like details, just contact me.

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2nd HDD cable....

I'll go and find the details and get back to you shortly.

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Thats great, thanks Chris. I've actually just got off the phone to Dell (about 35 minute phone call) and they have said that they can supply the cable, but that it would be £60 + VAT! When I queried it, it appears the part is £4 and the rest of it is courier delivery.

He did offer an alternative though - if I buy a hard drive from them they could include one without adding the extra postage. Drawback, a 250gb 5400 spin HDD (no more details available) is £170 + Vat. Methinks I'm not going to rush into that option either...

You have actually got me thining about using a SSD though, so I might try that as well.

Once again, many thanks.
Richard

2nd HDD cable....

I bought the cable from a company called Upgrade Options Ltd.

I spoke to Emma-Louise.

IIRC, it cost about £12-15, including UK postage.

Upgrade Options Ltd
Clocktower
Greenhills Rural Enterprise Centre
Greenhills Estate
Tilford
Surrey GU10 2DZ
Switchboard: +44 (0) 871 231 1900
Fax: +44 (0) 871 231 1921
Web: www.upgrade.co.uk

My order (not part) number was UO0226043 - this may help them find the correct part number for you.

Re: 2nd HDD cable...

Hi there,

I was trying to find out the spare parts needed to add 2nd hdd to vostro 1710 and found this page. Could you please share what all is needed? I read somewhere that apart from the hdd itself, I need the following parts:

- hdd caddy
- cable
- interposer
- screws

However it's very difficult to find out the part numbers (and the parts themselves). I found another relevant page, but not very sure the information is correct since the person who added the disk didn't confirm:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19245325/19382942.aspx#

From that page:

You will need the hard drive, hard drive bracket (T780F), and HDD cable-dual HDD (U185D). Note: N156F if the hard drive cable for the primary drive.
Also, you will need four M3x3 screws (HD to carrier) and three M2.5x5 screws (carrier to mobo).

thanks,
Tony

Re: 2nd HDD cable...

All I needed was the cable, and a couple of small screws I had lying round. If you're short of screws, you could secure each drive with just two screws.

I don't know what the 'interposer' is.

cheers

Many thanks...thats a lot better than buying it from Dell.

R.

python dialog

Hi Chris

I liked PythonDialog for its simplicity. I would like to use it to create a text-user interface.

When I tried to install it, the code compiles alright. However, I can not run the demo file, with an error "executable file not found". setting up of paths has not helped.

I am using Python 2.5 on Ubuntu/ Opensuse. Can you help?

Thanks in advance,
-- ashish

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Physics Group,
BITS Pilani-Goa Campus,
Zuarinagar, Goa.
India 403 726

www.bits-goa.ac.in
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No reply from my email.

I was just making a reply (further up this thread) and realised that I had had no response when I sent you an email asking about you problem with PythonDialog (about three months ago).

Did you receive my email? If so, have you already solved the problem?